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DRAFT MINUTES
OF THE CLARINGTON HWY. 407 COMMUNITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE
CAC MEMBERS PRESENT:
Chair - Bradford Soles
Vice-Chair - Linda Gasser
Fred Biesenthal
Mark Canning
Staff In Attendance:
Sharon Norris - Recording Secretary
Janice Szwarz - Planning Services
Absent:
Gerald Brown, Joanna DeBoer, Ron Hooper, George Khouri, Jim Schell, Leslie Benson
DATE:
RE:
Other
Business
Bill Harford
Karina Isert (LACAC)
Ross Libbey (Traffic Advisory Committee)
Murray Paterson
January 11, 2006
HIGHWAY 407 COMMUNITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE
January 10, 2006 Meeting No. 23
Meeting commenced 7:00 p.m.
Welcome b Chair.
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A workshop is _ proposedfgr ~~turda~,.Februa~ 4th fr()I'I'19:OO
a.m. to 1 :00 p.m. re~arcjing- iqentification ofevaluatiorffactors
and criteria to. be. use~used toas~essthe plaf'!ning
alternatives. It 1S unknown if the workshop is open to the public
and if is yet to be advertised; 'Linda "GEisser has requested that
people be pre-registered. ,
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At t~e\yorks?opwe~hould a~kfor time to review research
and ask thEl!t~ey 'rti~ulate the issues. It is expected that
the WOf'kshQPWiII establish a weighting mechanism. EA
process needs to be explained - I.e. start with an
educatiol1illpiece prior to the workshop.
Remember to check the 407 web for final workshop details.
MT AG meeting Tues. Jan. 17th to review comments on Public
Involvement. Comments received by MTO by Jan. 29th are to
be posted on the web as a draft. Nothing posted to date.
Linda advised committee of video worth watching regarding
living and worki~ in the same area. From Studio 2, TVO,
aired January 2 . Mississauga was shown as an example of a
"live/work" community with its congestion issues.
GTA Fare Card System is scheduled for 2008 - allowing travel
from one transit s stem to another.
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DRAFT MINUTES
OF THE CLARINGTON HWY. 407 COMMUNITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE
Review of
Draft Minutes
Comments on
Draft
Proactive
Involvement
Plan
Page 1 - Murray Patterson listed as present twice.
Page 2 -:- Comment. Colleen Goodchild has moved to the
Region. Janice to determine who is taking her place.
Page 3 - Third paragraph should read "Question regarding
hardship cases who cannot sell their properties due to the .
route. "
Janice
Concerns were voiced that Taunton Road was not in the 5 year
budget. Would like this to be part of the E.A.
Minutes acce ted as amended.
Review of Linda Gasser's preliminary comm~nt~(wfitte'obefore
the announcement of the workshop). .....
The Project Team seems to be focussed ofjfjutJlP~rs~fpeople
involved and this is not indicative of effe~i. .u~licinvolvement.
The impression is that they are opento sutionson getting
people involved, but they must b~.impl~mE:l"tilble. .
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We must receive information inatim~I~:maRn~r so,thafo\Jr
comments can be incorporatedintott'l~dech~i9n ma.k. i..n g;
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Need to.~econsistent..+.T~eydeSlrearli"no,,~tive approach
versu~;aRr~~c::ribedformat, howeverthE!y hilve prescribed a
drop..inform~tfor PJ7s., . ....... . .....,. .............//.. ...
Thi~.pr()ject hasbee~aroundf9r many years - people are
fatigu~d.; Theg~ner~lfeelingjs..who cares unless it goes
thrOLJ~.~my pa~~yard...' Only when the route is established, will
the ~ffr.cte~.PeOple~et' involved - this will be too late. Mentality
is let the elected officials deal with it.
Neecft?lookat this as an opportunity to discuss sustainable
transp()ttation, determine how it willl.ikely develop and what it
mayJook like. There are ways to engage people, just need the
right "hook" for each of them.
The mailing list of interested parties is now at 2,000 people.
Development Charges are not covering the true cost of growth -
developers should have to pay DCs on transportation related
costs.
Energy and fuel costs will change attitudes towards public
transit usage.
Drop In PIC Sessions:
Fact sheets should be prepared as preparatory material
to inform eo Ie rior to sessions.
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OF THE CLARINGTON HWY. 407 COMMUNITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE
Need to show how projects will be sustainable - what
other infrastructure will be needed - financial
accessibility. Building the 407 will attract developers and
will be used by local traffic.
Safety - public safety (user safety) needs to be
addressed.
We are the only municipality that has struck a committee
- but not acknowledged in the draft Proactive Janice
Involvement Plan - Janice to comment on this. .
Presentations provided by advisory groups~de$crit>~
Provincial policy - these should be mad~~,,~i1a~l~loour
group. The Greenbelt Plan and Places ,toC3row are other
good bases of information for our com~itt~~rtchec~
websites for documents. . ..
Ministrv of Public Infrastructure~~ne\y~l-Placesto Grow
MAH - Protectina the Greenbelt:T~~ G~7erlbeltPlan .,
Places to Grow has a,lJocatedPop~l~tiona~d employment
figuresJorall, how:verDufham, Re~lon d()E!s not show an
i~crease in empleymept targetsfor2;o01-2.931.
Goods Movementi~' primarily to'theUSA; therefore it does
not makesensefc>r thesE!type~otcompanies to set up in
Durham. rResearch firms (he.Science/Energy) could work
here and,benefitfrom UOrT..We are however at a
disadvantag~ having only one university versus the area
west of theGT A.
Residual Waste E.A. - Durham Region
tooking at energy from waste facility
Focussing on publicly owned lands
Durham owns lands near Energy Park and the
possible 407 link.
Rail could be used for "garbage trains".
Janice to source the "Recommended Directions" document
from the Durham region OP Review for the committee. Janice
Public Transit Usage Discussion:
Inconvenient to take, however should you lose license it would
be a necessity. The time it takes to wait and take transit versus
travellin b car. Transit a s for itself in other wa s than 'ust
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OF THE CLARINGTON HWY. 407 COMMUNITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE
through the fares. The cost to drive (need to consider fuel,
parking, insurance, maintenance) versus the cost to take
transit.
HOV lanes in Washington allow drivers to pick up riders on the
side of the road to qualify their use of the HOV lanes.
Mark offered his experiment of taking public transit for 6
r; ..Joths. He determined that. it was less stress, same cost and
more timely to drive.
Public Involvement Plan>",
Will they adhere to the plan. They will not b~apl~ tofQ'fit all the
promises made. Need to keep on them to resolvei$sues. (be
vigilant) as they do not have the resourcesjt()doan~.;of this
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Ask them to send an email to theJntertt~te~.parties!list if a
major document is to be rele~sedorhasbf:len recently
posted to the web.
Next Meetings February7;2006
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